tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post7694132342196797701..comments2024-03-28T02:00:11.260-05:00Comments on A Newbie's Guide to Publishing: The End of The CriticJA Konrathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-91703328983810665462009-08-09T16:10:20.085-05:002009-08-09T16:10:20.085-05:00The problem with general voting awards is who vote...The problem with general voting awards is who votes. The knuckleheads you mentioned? Here in Australia there's an awards thing called the Dittmars, which is voted for by peer writers. An inside source told me that writers basically get all their friends to vote so the person with the most friends wins. Don't ask me who else votes - maybe everyone is so apathetic about it that they don't bother. But it totally undermines the credibility of the award, and nobody in the know takes any notice of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-37941479318124013352009-08-08T19:07:39.307-05:002009-08-08T19:07:39.307-05:00So, social-media reviews are helpful and interesti...<i>So, social-media reviews are helpful and interesting, but they have a much more complicated relationship to possible quality.</i><br /><br />I agree with you, Tim. But I also believe it's a more familiar and personal relationship. We tend to take the advice of friends and like-minded peers. <br /><br />A critic, by definition, is someone who critiques.<br /><br />A co-worker, neighbor, relative, or friend can offer a more intimate opinion.<br /><br />Social networking and user aggregation is what makes LibraryThing, Facebook, Goodreads, etcetera work, and keeps people coming back. There's no distance between the opinionated and those seeking opinions. I think that's the way of the future.<br /><br />Sure, there will be those who don't adequately present or defend their opinions. But there will also be smart, literate people who will make suggestions and recommendations, and those people will find others who will listen to them.JA Konrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-8266022576711838512009-08-07T23:57:58.979-05:002009-08-07T23:57:58.979-05:00Hey. This is the LibraryThing founder here.
The p...Hey. This is the LibraryThing founder here.<br /><br />The problem here is that you don't read reviews online they way you read them offline. The professional newspaper reviewer was a known quantity. The social-media reviewer isn't, so the review is a comment on both the book and the reviewer. For discriminating readers at least, you can basically ignore any review that isn't well written, and dozens of raves from people who write in text-speak is probably worse than no reviews at all.<br /><br />So, social-media reviews are helpful and interesting, but they have a much more complicated relationship to possible quality.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07986361763198309178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-12059253883475178252009-08-07T19:04:22.807-05:002009-08-07T19:04:22.807-05:00I also think the Awards will happen. As for the ro...I also think the Awards will happen. As for the role shift, I like it except when great books get taken apart just for the fun of it. Otherwise, more diversification can be a good thing.Olganoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-35650509467572516692009-08-07T08:32:46.414-05:002009-08-07T08:32:46.414-05:00Never hugged a pun before. I'm game.Never hugged a pun before. I'm game.Therapist/Writerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17852926334703532486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-49557013284813202812009-08-06T21:53:22.835-05:002009-08-06T21:53:22.835-05:00I agree with Pink.I agree with Pink.Jude Hardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994813046526310594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-16159308247978422582009-08-06T17:07:42.448-05:002009-08-06T17:07:42.448-05:00I hadn't really thought of what was happening ...I hadn't really thought of what was happening with movies and critics since I don't watch movies--good points.<br /><br />As for the comment about librarians...yes, they do read those review rags, but I know that the buyer at my library also reads other librarian blogs these days. Communication has really opened up when it comes to voicing opinions, or finding them. It's easier than ever for a librarian to ask her colleague for her opinion even if that librarian sits three states over.<br /><br />As for me, I never read print reviews because I never read the newspaper. When I wanted to read, I browsed either the bookstore or the library. I asked friends. That hasn't changed--except that now I browse Amazon and my friends consist of book blogs, book forums and...I do read reviews, especially the Amazon reviews since that is where I do the bulk of my book shopping.Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11234907275906877802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-84306500394261920492009-08-06T08:21:44.404-05:002009-08-06T08:21:44.404-05:00Jude: What's interesting and wonderful to me ...Jude: What's interesting and wonderful to me is the whole new area- thanks to the 'net- that exists between "true professionals" and "wannabe hacks". There are so many interesting writers, pundits, critics, etc. that there simply weren't room for before in the world of traditional publishing (because only so many books and periodicals are published each year). But now anyone has the opportunity to show their stuff without a hierarchy deciding if it's good enough to see. Makes wading through the lesser stuff worth it, in my opinion.Joe Mentahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07082831708335979746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-80061328040133673312009-08-06T00:49:09.509-05:002009-08-06T00:49:09.509-05:00The only thing stopping online sites from giving a...The only thing stopping online sites from giving awards is that they haven't actually thought about it yet. Give them time. Brave new worlds aren't built in a day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-86628355093094251562009-08-05T22:37:34.643-05:002009-08-05T22:37:34.643-05:00For me, intelligent, informed criticism still matt...For me, intelligent, informed criticism still matters. In fact, it matters more than ever. <br /><br />I’ve read too many five-star reviews given by “critics” who admit they haven’t seen the movie yet, but that it, “looks KOOL!!!” I’ve also read one-star reviews where the amateur critic said, “I ain’t gonna watch it” because the film was “gay.”<br /><br />I’m more optimistic about amateur book reviewers (maybe I have misguided faith that readers are more informed). That said, I still ignore most of Amazon’s five-star and one star reviews. Amazon’s ratings are so inflated, giving a book anything less than four stars seems like an insult. On the contrary, many of the one-star reviews feel as if they come from a bitter dark place.<br /><br />But that's just me.Mike MacLeanhttp://www.mikemaclean.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-45362308550830896042009-08-05T20:22:20.692-05:002009-08-05T20:22:20.692-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jude Hardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994813046526310594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-40510759122157733792009-08-05T19:58:52.813-05:002009-08-05T19:58:52.813-05:00People are more apt to believe someone that is jus...People are more apt to believe someone that is just like them, in regards to both movies and books (and a number of other areas, like music, etc.).<br /><br />Professional reviews were done by people that weren't your normal readers (viewers, listeners, etc.). Readers want a good story for a fair price...T. M. Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04315726033990784930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-24722273831559960652009-08-05T19:49:32.209-05:002009-08-05T19:49:32.209-05:00The words review and published and bestselling are...The words <i>review</i> and <i>published</i> and <i>bestselling</i> are becoming about as meaningful as "new and improved" on a box of laundry detergent. We're going to have to invent some new language to separate the true professionals from the wannabe hacks.Jude Hardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994813046526310594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-82024260410659022972009-08-05T19:15:02.277-05:002009-08-05T19:15:02.277-05:00As far as reader awards - they tried the Quills fo...As far as reader awards - they tried the Quills for a couple of years, and that didn't really work out. Someone - literary critics, maybe? - chose finalists in several categories, then the public voted for their favorites. So it's been tried, anyway; perhaps it was just before its time.Melanie Benjamin, author, ALICE I HAVE BEENhttp://www.melaniebenjamin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-55543717993592805922009-08-05T15:37:22.657-05:002009-08-05T15:37:22.657-05:00I don't see any real downside to the new reali...I don't see any real downside to the new reality, either. True, the one benefit of the print ivory tower was that- theoretically- one had to have some coherence and polish to be pushed onstage in front of the masses, and that now any ranting guy in a shack (as long as he has a laptop) has an audience. <br /><br />But while there are indeed many crazies- and, alas, many normal, well-intentioned folks who just aren't that interesting- on the 'net, there are also many, many more great writers offering helpful, entertaining, and illuminating comments than there have ever been available before to those who seek opinions and tips on books and movies. And I'm happy to wade through the muck to find them. Heck, even the muck can be fun at times. <br /><br />And the mechanism for interacting with reviewers and bloggers is another wonderful aspect of the new reality, including the mechanism of critics being regularly rated by their readers! <br /><br />Or maybe I think it's wonderful because I recently was voted a top 500 reviewer at Amazon, which isn't bad for one's ego in today's humdrum world. But seriously, that means something to me because it's real readers, ordinary people like me, who have been repeatedly giving me their "helpful" votes.Joe Mentahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07082831708335979746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-9736706424796731522009-08-05T15:21:27.281-05:002009-08-05T15:21:27.281-05:00Librarians are on Librarything, and many are getti...Librarians are on Librarything, and many are getting their reviews from there.JA Konrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-3899130469687298052009-08-05T14:58:58.714-05:002009-08-05T14:58:58.714-05:00I've never paid much attention to reviews for ...I've never paid much attention to reviews for books or films. I read back cover copy, flip to the inside, watch trailers and read movie websites to make up my own mind. Let the writers do their own marketing (publishers want us to do it anyway) and let everyone else get out of the way.ssashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15527483283426518167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-49760672284903566752009-08-05T14:44:57.800-05:002009-08-05T14:44:57.800-05:00Joe, an important distinction to keep in mind is t...Joe, an important distinction to keep in mind is that publishers need libraries to buy their books. Libraries, in turn, genenerally rely on the pre-release reviews of Booklist, Kirkus, PW, Library Journal, and a few others. Thus reviews by these organizations are and will continue to be important to publishers and authors. <br /><br />As for reviews directed at the public rather than libraries, you're right in that the ability of many readers to post reviews at many places, together with the ability of any potential reader to access those reviews, significatly waters down the importance of the traditional review venues such as newspapers.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01234972022475955356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-12054926033988064222009-08-05T14:18:29.086-05:002009-08-05T14:18:29.086-05:00I always make my Book and DVD rental/buying choice...I always make my Book and DVD rental/buying choices based on Amazon customer reviews - never visit Rottentomatoes or Ain't It Cool. <br /><br />Amazon Awards is a great idea.Rusty Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16143817211151177797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-85632066903356560922009-08-05T12:54:20.497-05:002009-08-05T12:54:20.497-05:00What I think?
I think your a marketing genious. ...What I think? <br /><br />I think your a marketing genious. Maybe we should start our own top five list. <br /><br />I'll give you my #1 book of 2009: Hunger Games. <br /><br />If you haven't read it--you should slap yourself for being slow.amberargylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05058327741777322247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-68941309721970014252009-08-05T12:50:26.230-05:002009-08-05T12:50:26.230-05:00I'm a reviewer and interviewer in the music fi...I'm a reviewer and interviewer in the music field in addition to being a writer, and I do think an informed opinion as a critic still has some weight- especially if you've developed a reputation for being trusted through the years.<br /><br />That being said, with the internet boom the power has shifted into the hands of the people. Word of mouth matters, and if you know how to market your book to get that underground buzz swell, you can create quite the following. The difference being it may take longer to achieve more.Matthttp://msc2471.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-79143848289328903792009-08-05T12:47:06.113-05:002009-08-05T12:47:06.113-05:00User-aggregated content, and being actively part o...User-aggregated content, and being actively part of the media rather than passively watching it, is becoming the norm. As is instant access to information.<br /><br />Seeking out opinions before committing to something is natural. But equally natural is the need to share our opinions.<br /><br />Communication, which has always been a two way street, is now more balanced than ever before in history.<br /><br />For decades we were told what to watch and what to read. The networks, studios, and publishers put out what they think we wanted, and learned professionals critiqued it.<br /><br />These days, we can post our own videos on YouTube, and put our books on Kindle, and report breaking news with Twitter on our cell phones as it happens. We rate the movies and the books. <br /><br />We have more choices than ever, and more opinions than ever to help us make those choices. <br /><br />I don't see a downside.JA Konrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-23850935000620589452009-08-05T12:37:07.692-05:002009-08-05T12:37:07.692-05:00I don't know . . .
I think there will always ...I don't know . . .<br /><br />I think there will always be people who seek literate reviews. Who will put the next brilliant indie film on their must-see list. If I look at my TV watching, for example, it's often BBC or obscure dramas--not reality show crap. That stuff is popular, but . . . <br /><br />It's definitely a time of change . . . but there's always, I think, going to be people who are not interested in the latest popcorn flick or the next commercial fiction hit by so-and-so. <br /><br />AND . . . those were the SAME people who ALWAYS felt that way. I.e., I never went to "Fast and Furious" or whatever was the latest popcorn flick; never bought x or y book, or watched x or y TV show. So I don't know that the power has totally shifted. I just think the masses are more VOCAL now than ever before, more visible on Amazon or wherever.<br /><br />EErica Orloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16415925758466527671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-79467960751534688642009-08-05T12:10:06.253-05:002009-08-05T12:10:06.253-05:00The flip side of a critic not having the ability t...The flip side of a critic not having the ability to kill a movie or book with a downturned thumb is that a critic also now can't make a movie or book with a thumbs up. It used to be these people had clout, and that helped quality projects gain profile.<br /><br />It's always uncomfortable going through a time of change, so it's hard to say if things will be better coming out the other side, or if things will be much much worse. I know, for myself, there are a few reviewers whose opinions I trust, but most of the so-called critics seem to just jump on bandwagons. Critic A won't touch a book until Critic G has praised it, and then everyone jumps on the bandwagon and chimes in. And the buzz books - nobody wants to be the last person to weigh in with praise.<br /><br />I listen to reviewers who don't pay attention to that stuff and voice their own informed opinions. When I get an ARC I don't even want the PR sheet. I don't give a flip who blurbed the book favourably already - I'll make up my own mind about how good it is.Sandra Ruttanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06109584805469336742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-65378630545330616592009-08-05T11:40:49.227-05:002009-08-05T11:40:49.227-05:00"Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complai..."Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain -- and most fools do."<br /><br />- Dale CarnegieMarchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10290316694190461558noreply@blogger.com