tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post5273152215344742731..comments2024-03-28T02:00:11.260-05:00Comments on A Newbie's Guide to Publishing: InvestmentJA Konrathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-61279754220827198922008-11-25T07:35:00.000-06:002008-11-25T07:35:00.000-06:00good advice but why so passionate iagainst self-pu...good advice but why so passionate iagainst self-publishing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-45245212844250439222008-10-30T22:15:00.000-05:002008-10-30T22:15:00.000-05:00Has anyone ever toyed with the idea of reading the...Has anyone ever toyed with the idea of reading their rejected novels/stories at a jail, nursing home or a homeless shelter? Captive audience with a desperate need for stimulation and human contact . . . might help with the perspective issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-17783020123374650932008-10-12T06:10:00.000-05:002008-10-12T06:10:00.000-05:00Once I published it with Lulu just for my own eyes...Once I published it with Lulu just for my own eyes, not for the public, and held it in my hands and TRIED to read it, I KNEW why it would never have a reading public. I placed it lovingly on the shelf and said, "Well. Now we have THAT out of our system. let's go write."Kim Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13933746166088034102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-46390752230893499112008-10-08T14:45:00.000-05:002008-10-08T14:45:00.000-05:00And there's no shame in writing 20-30 novels, and ...And there's no shame in writing 20-30 novels, and then writing 20-30 more, just because you like writing. Maybe it's the wrong business, but it might be the right hobby.Spy Scribblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14299551957327543491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-48927280605709881802008-10-05T13:25:00.000-05:002008-10-05T13:25:00.000-05:00If you've written 20-30 novels that nobody wants t...If you've written 20-30 novels that nobody wants to publish, chances are that you're probably in the wrong business.<BR/><BR/>The desire to write is common, but the ability to do so successfully is much rarer.<BR/><BR/>There's no shame in recognizing that some of life's dreams will never be fulfilled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-72222306336912629872008-10-05T09:54:00.000-05:002008-10-05T09:54:00.000-05:00After you've been at it fulltime for 10 or more ye...After you've been at it fulltime for 10 or more years and publishers still show no interest in your work, I'd advocate taking a stand. Publish your work on your own, get 20-30,000 folks to listen to or read it, go to conventions and act like you're a professional, and help out aspiring writers.<BR/><BR/>Life is so short. And it's wholly possible that you could write 20-30 novels that no one will ever want to publish.<BR/><BR/>My point is to not let something beyond your power have power over you. Have fun, help others, and get your work out there to the public in whatever way you can.Stacey Cochranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14128613653591282474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-49798643440294936042008-10-04T08:23:00.000-05:002008-10-04T08:23:00.000-05:00Before one decides to follow the advice of just po...Before one decides to follow the advice of just posting it up on the internet to read, I'd recommend making sure to get it vetted by someone. Posting up unedited work could actually be more detrimental to your future career...T. M. Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04315726033990784930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-9564682212717831182008-10-03T21:31:00.000-05:002008-10-03T21:31:00.000-05:00This is very tough advice to read, but beneficial....This is very tough advice to read, but beneficial. Especially to someone like me - Thank you.Miss Mahanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00476694515900284547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-54647450368484384992008-10-01T16:41:00.000-05:002008-10-01T16:41:00.000-05:00I have several "shelf" novels that I think are rea...I have several "shelf" novels that I think are really just waiting for something the publishing industry thinks is "dead" right now, to suddenly be "hot" again in three years or whatever. This is a cyclical biz and if you're in it for long enough, you see it. I also have a half dozen unpublished AND unfinished bits that should simply remain so--ideas that ran out of gas. And I've got 15 published novels out there . . . so when it all adds up, it's a 50-50 thing in what I produce, and I've learned to do just as you suggest and gain some distance and even feel sad over the ones where the timing is wrong, but recognize that what's today's "chick lit" will be tomorrow's "comedic fiction" (or whatever it will be renamed). Timing is part of the game, pure and simple.<BR/>EErica Orloffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16415925758466527671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-53040706688918030192008-10-01T14:11:00.000-05:002008-10-01T14:11:00.000-05:00I'll out myself: I am the worst when it comes to f...I'll out myself: I am the worst when it comes to finishing novels! I've started (and quit on) like five of them in the last 16 years.<BR/><BR/>My last novel project was going so well, but I hit 100,000 words and realized I was not even halfway to the end, and I went back and started re-writing and re-writing and, well, I ran out of gas and got sick of the story and bailed. Again.<BR/><BR/>That was about 6 years ago. And I swore I'd not tackle another novel project until I figured out what I kept doing wrong.<BR/><BR/>I think I have the biggest issue solved. I try to include too many characters and pretty soon I have too many plotlines to follow.<BR/><BR/>Many of my favorite novels tend to be those sprawling, super-thick millieu tales where the author seems to dive into the heads of thirty or more people, through countless chapters of weaving plotlines that somehow resolve themselves in the wrap-up.<BR/><BR/>Maybe some day I will be able to write one of those, but for my new project I am scheming I am determined to stick with a confined scope and a confined number of people, so I can not only keep it short, but focus on making each of those people as interesting and believable as possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-29033944331470901402008-10-01T13:22:00.000-05:002008-10-01T13:22:00.000-05:00One thing I would add is to not give up on a WIP u...One thing I would add is to not give up on a WIP until it is finished, because it's impossible to know if a book is going to work or not until it's completely finished and the ending is written. I almost quit on one of my books midway, didn't, and then received lots of emails that it was my best one yet. Sometimes facing a difficult point halfway through makes you become more creative, which then results in a better work. <BR/><BR/>After the first draft is finished, get some honest feedback, and then trash what doesn't work. Be brutal. Anyway, I'm straying.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01234972022475955356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-84115428401317351962008-10-01T11:25:00.000-05:002008-10-01T11:25:00.000-05:00Like your last, this is very pithy post, Joe, and ...Like your last, this is very pithy post, Joe, and something which I asked several writers when I was first putting pen to paper. I received very little in the way of useful advice and this is the first article or post I've seen to actually addresses what can be a major stumbling block for new writers. Good question, great answer!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-85058000175566518542008-10-01T07:22:00.000-05:002008-10-01T07:22:00.000-05:00I think the writing process would make a lot more ...I think the writing process would make a lot more sense to people if they turned off the computer for a while and look music lessons instead.<BR/><BR/>As anyone who has undertaken the study of a musical instrument knows, the first piece you learn is not something you'll want to perform and record. Generally speaking, the first piece a piano student tackles is not a Rachmaninoff prelude. First, you need to study and practice, develop skills, listen to good music that's well played so that you can develop an ear and a musical vocabulary. <BR/><BR/>Beginning musicians do not, as a rule, start making the rounds of concert agents trying to sell the IDEA for program of music they haven't yet learned, and have no idea whether or not they could actually play. <BR/><BR/>They don't email professional musicians, attach audio files of the first 16 measures of a piece (the only 16 measures they've practiced, and then only in a desultory fashion), and say, "Can you listen to this and tell me where I can record this concerto and how much I can expect to make from CD sales? Because I don't want to waste the time actually learning the music if my investment isn't going to pay off."<BR/><BR/>Pretty silly, right? And yet beginning writers do this sort of thing with astonishing frequency.<BR/><BR/>The most head-shaking example came shortly after I wrote my first Star Wars novel and several related short stories. One young man emailed me because he wanted to do likewise. He proposed writing 2 pages of a story, which he would send to me to vet. If I was pretty sure the resulting story would be published, I was to send the sample on to George Lucas (yeah, as if THAT number is in my rolladex...) and if HE agreed that this story would be published, then and only then would it be worth this young man's time to write the story. His <I>first</I> story, I might add.<BR/><BR/>I'm curious: Why is it that so many people regard unpublished first, second and third efforts as "failures?" The same people would probably concede that you can't learn to paint unless you pick up a brush, you can't learn to play an instrument unless you practice, and the first pie you bake is unlikely to win a blue ribbon at the county fair. Why do we accept the notion that good pastry takes practice, but whine because we can't publish the first words we jot down on paper/screen? Any every set of words thereafter? I started baking when I had to stand on a stool to reach the kitchen counter and I've gotten pretty good at it, but every now and then something just doesn't come out right. There's only so much tinkering you can do before you chuck it and start over. This is simple common sense. Writing is an art and a craft, just like any other. The same rules apply.<BR/><BR/>ec<BR/><BR/>www.elainecunningham.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-37579821109115324462008-10-01T07:07:00.000-05:002008-10-01T07:07:00.000-05:00It's this kind of hardball advice that made the "N...It's this kind of hardball advice that made the "Newbie's Guide" such an enjoyable read, and helped get me out of a lengthy period of innactivity.<BR/><BR/>In early September I went back and added up every word of everything I'd written since I first started being "serious" about writting in 1992.<BR/><BR/>It amounted to over 770,000 words of material, and only about 35,000 of that ever saw the light of day, and then only in tiny, unpaid formats: a story taken by a college yearly, and my 12-episode community radio serial.<BR/><BR/>I suppose I could have gotten depressed over that figure. Wow, 770K and no pro sales. I must totally suck!<BR/><BR/>But that's not the attitude I took, because I've always heard it said you need at least 1M words under the bridge before you actually start approaching your "good" stuff, and so I looked at that number and said, "Cool, I only have 250K left to go! Better get cracking!"<BR/><BR/>I've begun getting short material back out to the markets, and make sure I've got a story in for every quarter of Writer's of the Future. (I enjoy and write SF mostly) The feedback I am getting from editors tells me I've come a long way since the first stories; and when I read those first stories I can tell, too.<BR/><BR/>Maybe it's just a matter of growing up? I was all of 18 years old when I did the radio serial. And knew NOTHING about ANYTHING except taking a shit, as Eddie Murphy once said.<BR/><BR/>Well, I'll be 35 in April. In the last 17 years I've done and seen quite a bit. Marriage. Parenthood. Military. Working my way up the corporate ladder sans college degree.<BR/><BR/>I like to think that 80% of my problem when I was young, was that I was young. Some writers might be able to extrapolate believable, engaging fiction at that early age. I obviously was not ready.<BR/><BR/>Am I "ready" now? We'll see. I've set some goals for the last four months of 2008 and so far I have been keeping them. The rest is up to the editors, and fate, I suppose. And for next year, I'll make some new goals, and work on those too.<BR/><BR/>Utah Jazz coach Jerry Sloan is my favorite pro sports coach of all time. My favorite phrase he always uses, when discussing bad games or players who get into bad funks, is, "Play forward."<BR/><BR/>I like to think I've learned enough about doing this to be able to "play forward" and I am always encouraging younger or less experienced novices like me, to abandon the endless re-writing, the eternal crit grouping, the angst-filled revisions. Slam that manuscript into the OUT box at the post office, and move on to something new! You did your best, now take what you learned and get cracking on the next piece.<BR/><BR/>Because the best one is always the next one, as actor Geoffrey Lewis once said.<BR/><BR/>And I don't want other people making the same mistakes I made, and wasting as much time I have wasted not producing new stuff while agonizing over the old stuff.<BR/><BR/>Again, thanks for the wonderfully hardball words, Joe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-76578149726225290472008-09-30T22:27:00.000-05:002008-09-30T22:27:00.000-05:00Thanks for the great advice from someone who's bee...Thanks for the great advice from someone who's been there.Barbara Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00610140328527165017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-21287108080401842432008-09-30T21:24:00.000-05:002008-09-30T21:24:00.000-05:00Joe,What a great post. Tough love for the whiners...Joe,<BR/>What a great post. Tough love for the whiners who need it, comedy for those of us that don't.<BR/><BR/>And now that you mention it, I do remember a story or two that I had that would have been <I>perfect</I> for THESE GUNS FOR HIRE. Next time you get around Raleigh, let me know and I'll buy you a drink.<BR/> <BR/> <BR/><BR/>Or eight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-86968978585734068022008-09-30T18:34:00.000-05:002008-09-30T18:34:00.000-05:00This is some of the best advice for writers I've e...This is some of the best advice for writers I've ever seen. Great post.Jude Hardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994813046526310594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-66286275941809434442008-09-30T18:04:00.000-05:002008-09-30T18:04:00.000-05:00Lisa has a great point, and I've often considered ...Lisa has a great point, and I've often considered that when thinking about my as-yet-unpublished novel. I know that in some ways it could be shite. So I've done a two-pronged shelve it and keep writing attack. Maybe this new book I'm writing will be the one to get published, stronger and better because of the lessons learned writing the first :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-42386061829009485472008-09-30T17:14:00.000-05:002008-09-30T17:14:00.000-05:00Dammit Joe!! Your advice is golden. I'm a new fol...Dammit Joe!! Your advice is golden. I'm a new follower of your blog and I'm happy to have found you. Sheesh! I've got a lot to think about tonight after this read...*Akilah Sakai*https://www.blogger.com/profile/04916459493624762479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-90503993023405832122008-09-30T16:28:00.000-05:002008-09-30T16:28:00.000-05:00Good post, Joe. It can be hard to cut and run.Befo...Good post, Joe. It can be hard to cut and run.<BR/><BR/>Before I wrote my mystery, I wrote a brilliant piece of crap. It's got colorful characters, great dialog, but it doesn't go anywhere or do anything. I can't even pitch it because I don't know what it's about - and I wrote it! I re-worked it until it was as flat and dense as over-kneaded dough. There was a moment when I knew I had a POC and panicked, because it felt like that was the only story I had in me to tell.<BR/><BR/>Then, I began to think about severed hands and a 50-yr old P.I. named Peri Menopause, who solves every case by crying, eating chocolate and bitch-slapping everyone until someone confesses. A new book was written and sold to Echelon Press (okay, I changed her name to Minneopa). <BR/><BR/>Now I consider the old story my practice book. As a columnist who tells an entire story in 600 words, it taught me that I could still get from Point A to Point B in 90,000 words. It also taught me why I needed to listen to all the experts.<BR/><BR/>I may or may not get it out again. I figure, if nothing else, I'll just use it for parts.Gayle Carlinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15783449240138097315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-83347114418534838952008-09-30T16:08:00.000-05:002008-09-30T16:08:00.000-05:00I had some very good advice from an agent who aske...I had some very good advice from an agent who asked for a read of my first full manuscript:<BR/><BR/>Your writing is good, you have a great voice, but this - this should not be your first novel. You only have one chance to be a virgin novelist, and you don't want to blow it with a book that isn't the best one for the market that you can write.<BR/><BR/>That book is now sitting on a shelf. Maybe someday I'll dust it off, but probably not. I'd rather spend the time on something that has a possibility of getting knocked out of the park. (Will that make me a knocked-up novelist?)Lisa Abeytahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12737286452019702002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-70404661066264577382008-09-30T15:36:00.000-05:002008-09-30T15:36:00.000-05:00And some of us don't even make the beginning inves...And some of us don't even make the beginning investment without considering the end first. <BR/><BR/>Self-publishing is one of those investments -- though I wouldn't do POD either. Of course, you're talking "novel" and I'm talking "non-fiction", which seems to change the investment equation.<BR/><BR/>XX<BR/><BR/>PS: If it weren't for you, I wouldn't be on MySpace, which has turned into a great investment of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com