tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post1285507800438885871..comments2024-03-18T06:16:18.802-05:00Comments on A Newbie's Guide to Publishing: Indies Eat Publishers Lunch – A Semi-Fisking of Michael CaderJA Konrathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comBlogger110125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-47052555903056903882014-08-05T18:37:25.186-05:002014-08-05T18:37:25.186-05:00Wow, my ears were burning for a reason.
Firstly, t...Wow, my ears were burning for a reason.<br />Firstly, thanks J.A for trashing my 'crap' all over your blog... and anywhere else you might be doing it. <br />Secondly, here’s my two pennies worth. Yes, my covers are 'crap'-thanks for noticing. I didn't have a ‘pot to pi** in’ when I decided to publish my first book. I looked at everyone else’s covers and saw the same faces and muscles staring back at me and thought- seriously? How do I know which book I’ve read as they all looked the same on the little thumbnails?<br />I didn’t know Photoshop from my elbow, and tossing my laptop across the bed became second nature in the wee small hours of the morning. So I went with simplicity, it worked, it go noticed- ‘because’ they were crap. They became easily recognisable in the midst of all of those muscles. Blank cover- must be ML. Unfortunately, I started a trend. Not to mention the fact I ran out of colours…<br />Why do my readers buy my ‘crap’ ? Well from the emails that I get, it’s because I found a niche, Lycan comedy romances. Apparently zapping the hell out of growling, brooding Alpha’s backside hadn’t been done before- go figure. Before people rush to write ‘that’ book, it’s being done now, a lot. Again, another trend. (Whoop!) <br />Did I get lucky? You bet your backside I did. For someone who went through the English education system (and I use that term laughingly) in the 1980’s (cough) and left school at 15, spellcheck is my friend. Unfortunately, I only discovered spellcheck when a reviewer pointed it out to me. ( I kid you not.)<br />For the person who said I write ‘werewolf orgies’ – I don’t, but thanks for the idea. Unfortunately I write about Lycans, (not the same thing, but how were you to know, right? You wouldn’t be seen dead reading ‘crap’) <br />Do I have grammatical errors? Yes. Do my readers pick me up on it? Sometimes, but mostly they don’t care. Should I get an editor? I’d love one, but unfortunately I’d be paying out 99% of my earnings in editorial fees. That’s because my ‘crap’ is $0.99c, and with the crappy exchange rate between the US and the UK, I get about £0.15p a book. I work 15-18 a day, Christmas included, would you work for nothing?<br />To the person who said ‘I must have been writing years’, not true. I started publishing in December 2012 and the Lycan books (which were the ones that took off) in May 2013. <br />JA, I know we bump shoulders a lot on the Horror bestselling Authors list, which can only be viewed in the US, and in my humble opinion that shouldn’t actually be the case. Why? Because I write novellas, usually just over a hundred pages, and I can write two or three a month, so it’s not hard to see how I can sell so many books as opposed to an author who writes four hundred pages and charges ten times as much, but only puts out three books a year. So you see I’m not making the kind of money people think I am. (I’d actually like to see if I’m on that breakdown sheet and how much I supposedly earn.) <br />To finish, I enjoyed reading about my ‘crap’ books on your blog and the subsequent comments, it did make me chuckle. Hope you didn’t mind me dropping in to say hello.<br />Blessings (Yes, I really am a practicing witch.)<br />ML BriersML Briers ( ml.briers@hotmail.co.uk )noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-61237854425169367792014-02-20T18:18:14.606-06:002014-02-20T18:18:14.606-06:00I assume others heard the astonishing diatribe by ...I assume others heard the astonishing diatribe by James Patterson on PBS radio this morning, insisting that if legacy publishing does not survive, the literacy and ability of American children might be destroyed. this morphed into the statement that not sending books to the US troops would leave them feeling as if no one cared about them. HUH?<br /> Gosh, JP, all a person wants a chance to publish his book, and not be trapped in a system that shoves the books of a FEW select writers down my throat EVERYWHERE I go...airport, drugstore, grocery store, shopping mall.<br /> Don't miss the whole rant. Amazing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-52291288358758490042014-02-20T17:24:50.813-06:002014-02-20T17:24:50.813-06:00I think there's a certain cachet to the primit...I think there's a certain cachet to the primitive look that can actually make those books appealing for some. They have the feel of having tapped into something more intimate, exclusive and close to the author. Like discovering the band playing to five people in a warehouse. They become "yours". Finding them and sticking with them becomes personal, even a source of pride. <br /><br />These raw, no-frills books have a printed out-of-the-back-of-the-house vibe. Like a 60's underground zine or heart-felt poetry or some us-against-them manifesto. <br /><br />Lack of glitz, cheap price, even formatting and spelling errors can bring a sense of realness and connection. The combination can be seductive and breed a fierce loyalty over the polished (AKA: sold out, distant, commercial, fake) even if it's illusory.<br /><br />Kind of a niche market, but one that's likely always been waiting. Just never easy to satisfy on a mass scale before e-readers and self publishing took off.daneyulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930578640196786871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-76399231583686547132014-02-20T11:55:00.309-06:002014-02-20T11:55:00.309-06:00No problem, William. I liked your explanation of h...No problem, William. I liked your explanation of how some ebooks are getting discovered, btw.<br /><br /><i>Finding niche markets with strong network connections is rewarded over broad appeal.</i><br /><br />That might be the key. Or one of them. Strong network connections. That might explain why the books I bought (the ones with the crappy covers, formatting, and editing) made it into the top 30 on Amazon. <br /><br />And they're still there, btw. Still going strong. I wouldn't be surprised if a Big 5 publisher or two tries to snatch them up. I just hope the folks on the receiving end of those offers go in informed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-61074131838453130562014-02-19T23:45:12.375-06:002014-02-19T23:45:12.375-06:00There is something I don’t understand about the *“...There is something I don’t understand about the <i>*“indie-authors have a bad reputation”*</i> argument. Who checks when they are looking through lists for a book to buy? There are authors I seek out that I know are indie and others that I know are published by the Big5 but when I am trying to decide on an unknown author I never check to see who published them. It never even crosses my mind. <br /><br />I guess the price would often give it away if I thought about it since I will almost never spend more than $4.99 for a book by an author I’ve never read. But I just don’t think the average person looking reading material cares who published the book. With the obvious exception of course of people who only read Harlequins or something similar.Eric Daughertynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-37231316669870069552014-02-19T22:51:48.963-06:002014-02-19T22:51:48.963-06:00I owe an apology to Anon. I assumed that he was ex...I owe an apology to Anon. I assumed that he was expressing approval of the attitude he described.William Ockhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13795149116565627671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-13364363574231947032014-02-19T19:29:47.280-06:002014-02-19T19:29:47.280-06:00Author Earnings has the 50,000 report out!
http:/...Author Earnings has the 50,000 report out!<br /><br /><a href="http://authorearnings.com/reports/the-50k-report/" rel="nofollow">http://authorearnings.com/reports/the-50k-report/</a>Veronica - Eloheimhttp://www.tinyurl.com/eloheimbooksnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-85134199746473720512014-02-19T17:35:34.362-06:002014-02-19T17:35:34.362-06:00My assertion is that the same is true for your sta...<i>My assertion is that the same is true for your statement about indie publishing. No indie book has anything to do with any other indie book, unless they are written by the same author. Why on earth would Joe get a bad name because somebody else publishes "crap". It's nonsensical.</i><br /><br />All prejudices are nonsensical.<br /><br />Yet they exist.<br /><br />That's what I was trying to get across when I said <i>it's those writers who lend credence to some of the most common criticisms from agents, editors, and traditionally-published authors. It's those writers who give all indies a bad name.</i><br /><br />A bad name with agents, editors, and traditionally-published authors, and the readers who are influenced by the blanket statements some of those people make.<br /><br />Sorry if I didn't make that clear the first time.<br /><br />The books I bought didn't give indies a bad name with <i>me</i>. I'm perfectly aware that there are plenty of first-rate self-published books out there, and I buy them on a regular basis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-80288692421507356342014-02-19T16:52:22.619-06:002014-02-19T16:52:22.619-06:00@Joe - Is it possible that pity plays a part in al...@Joe - Is it possible that pity plays a part in all of this? "Oh dear, what happened here? Actually the description sounds quite interesting...even I must admit that the sample has sparked my interest. What the heck? I'll buy a copy! Judging from the cover, the author could certainly use the money.Scott Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11276077650234517880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-7206678029889861982014-02-19T16:33:43.346-06:002014-02-19T16:33:43.346-06:00The in-depth answer to Joe's question involves...The in-depth answer to Joe's question involves a lot of math. Specifically, directed graph networks.<br /><br />The easiest way to get your head around it is to think of your book like a pathogen. Every potential reader has a different susceptibility to your particular pathogen. Your pathogen has to spread somehow. It spreads from contact to contact, like any pathogen. For ebooks, think of Amazon as patient zero. Amazon is the guy on the subway who sneezes on everyone (except in this case people want to get infected). <br /><br />Because Amazon and (to a lesser extent) other ebook retailers are hubs in a giant network, unlike old style bookstores that were much smaller hubs in a more distributed network, the interpersonal networks are <b>very</b> different. <br /><br />One obvious aspect of this (as someone alluded to upthread) is that networks of people that share a particular interest can communicate about books much more easily. <br /><br />There is a very interesting evolutionary process happening before our eyes. Online book selling, ebooks, and Amazon in particular, are encouraging very different author behavior. Publishing quickly is rewarded over continuous refinement. Finding niche markets with strong network connections is rewarded over broad appeal. Inexpensive is rewarded over Veblen goods (look it up). <br /><br />When legacy publishers talk about the "Tsunami of Swill", they are on to something. It's just something they don't understand.William Ockhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13795149116565627671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-50676664604967806062014-02-19T16:31:09.067-06:002014-02-19T16:31:09.067-06:00Bigotry is a state of mind that allows you to gene...<i>Bigotry is a state of mind that allows you to generalize from specific instances to classifying a whole group in a negative fashion.</i><br /><br />Yeah. We should round up and kill all the bigots, because they're inferior.<br /><br />:DJA Konrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-58952708460118358832014-02-19T16:01:40.163-06:002014-02-19T16:01:40.163-06:00Bigotry is a state of mind that allows you to gene...Bigotry is a state of mind that allows you to generalize from specific instances to classifying a whole group in a negative fashion. If you found two ebooks in the Amazon top 30 list written by Muslim authors and described them the way you did, I would have no problem assuming that you were bigoted against Muslims. I might be wrong, but it's a reasonable assumption because it would be truly bizarre logic to assume that the writers' religion had anything to do with the quality of their work. <br /><br />My assertion is that the same is true for your statement about indie publishing. No indie book has anything to do with any other indie book, unless they are written by the same author. Why on earth would Joe get a bad name because somebody else publishes "crap". It's nonsensical.William Ockhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13795149116565627671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-4219404413938340332014-02-19T15:28:35.192-06:002014-02-19T15:28:35.192-06:00Very true. But with poor covers, poor formatting, ...<i>Very true. But with poor covers, poor formatting, poor jacket copy, and poor editing, how are readers discovering these books in the first place?</i><br /><br />Algorithms and message boards. And until those algorithms start taking into account assigned details like Cover Quality, editing quality, and the like, they'll keep popping up.<br /><br />Truth be told there's probably a room full of quants working on something like this right now somewheres...Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-62144050645841419672014-02-19T14:51:52.948-06:002014-02-19T14:51:52.948-06:00Anonymous at 2:46 said: "But with poor covers...Anonymous at 2:46 said: "But with poor covers, poor formatting, poor jacket copy, and poor editing, how are readers discovering these books in the first place?"<br /><br />Two places: <br /><br />1) Content description, i.e. - "Werewolf Orgies". For the lover of werewolf orgy fiction, that's all that is needed.<br /><br />2) Word of mouth. Werewolf-orgy-readers, like any other consumers of "alternative" cultural pursuits, talk to each other. And with the internet, one person can "talk" to thousands with a keystroke.Hairheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-40713378244585333112014-02-19T14:46:15.538-06:002014-02-19T14:46:15.538-06:00IT HAS THE STORY THAT READERS WANT TO READ.
Very ...<i>IT HAS THE STORY THAT READERS WANT TO READ.</i><br /><br />Very true. But with poor covers, poor formatting, poor jacket copy, and poor editing, how are readers discovering these books in the first place?<br /><br />I discovered the ones I bought in the top 30 on Amazon. But how did they manage to sell thousands of copies to get there?<br /><br />That's what's so perplexing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-54401286491958983942014-02-19T14:28:40.313-06:002014-02-19T14:28:40.313-06:00Look, there's a simple answer to why "cra...Look, there's a simple answer to why "crap" (as defined by different people in different ways) sells: <br /><br />IT HAS THE STORY THAT READERS WANT TO READ. <br /><br />That's it, that's all. <br /><br />To paraphrase an old-time movie producer who was asked by a famous director why his latest film wasn't making any money: <br /><br />"I can't stop the public from not buying your stuff." <br /><br />It's very much a part of human behaviour to look for a definite answer, to believe there is a certain set of steps which will guarantee success -- but there is no such thing (not "success" but "a certain set of steps"). <br /><br />Now, for frequent readers who are choosy, yes, an excellent cover, a good blurb, an intriguing bio, and clean formatting will make a big contribution to the buying decision; but for a significant portion of the buying public, the deciding factor is: this story/author gives me the particular thing that I want. <br /><br />This is why, Joe, you, with your excellent covers, blurbs, etc. sell -- but not always predictably; you're appealing to the discriminating frequent reader. And it is also why dinosaur-sex fantasies sell well enough to keep their authors happy. <br /><br />In sum: YES, you should make your covers/blurbs/formatting/bio/content as good as you can possibly afford to, it helps a lot: but remember, if after a long time up on the boards you're not selling, it's likely that you're not writing what people want to read -- right now. <br />So, YES, the other thing you need to do is find out what story-need amongst the population is not being met -- and write that stuff. <br /><br />If you can. <br /><br />Look at 50 Shades of Grey for instance!Hairheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-25207869436100526242014-02-19T14:10:28.368-06:002014-02-19T14:10:28.368-06:00You've been saying that for a long time here o...<i>You've been saying that for a long time here on A Newbie's Guide to Publishing, but apparently some authors still aren't getting the message.</i><br /><br />I know. And yet, some crap is selling.<br /><br />Which I'm trying to wrap my head around.<br /><br />It might be true that some readers have heard about indie books being bad, and avoid them because there is a stigma attached. But I haven't met any of those readers. Instead, I see readers buying all 13 lycan romances, even though they clearly are the worst covers of all time. <br /><br />I've always believed in getting everything as perfect as possible. You don't serve a gourmet meal on paper plates. You don't serve an awesome side dish with an overdone main course. You don't serve a great wine in a dirty glass. <br /><br />I see people--mostly legacy pundits--complaining about indie crap. I see indie authors worried about indie crap.<br /><br />And then I see indie crap selling.<br /><br />It's... perplexing.JA Konrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-24944308769414264052014-02-19T13:56:58.125-06:002014-02-19T13:56:58.125-06:00There seems to be an audience for the lycan books ...There seems to be an audience for the lycan books that Joe linked to. I suspect the pricing and number of books has contributed greatly to their popularity. When something is cheap and there are a lot of them out there, people will sometimes take a chance. Or, if the author ran free promotions, readers may have gotten hooked and then bought the next books because of it.<br /><br />I suspect the author has been in the business for a while, starting out when the Kindle was fairly new, and wrote a lot. Some things might be outstripping them - like cover art - but they've already found an audience who knows they'll get what they want from the author's work.<br /><br />The truth is, if I already KNOW I love an author's work, I could care less about cover art. It doesn't influence me at all away from an author I already adore. It's when discovering new authors that I have an issue with cover art, because it's another way for me to try to find out if a book catches my attention or not.<br /><br />If Harper Fox published a book with a blank black cover tomorrow, I would buy the shit out of it and read it gleefully. :-D If Spencer Quinn went Indie and published one of his dog mysteries with a blank cover, I would snatch that thing up while chortling! I'm often only picky about covers if I don't know the author, and I suspect others might be the same.<br /><br />Honestly though, a cover has a BIG influence on me discovering a new book / author in the first place. It's kind of scary when you think about it. Everybody says "Don't judge a book by the cover, but most of us really do, unless we already know about the author.<br /><br />And even if I KNOW the author but don't absolutely adore them, I will still be a little bit influenced by the cover's mood, tone, quality, etc. hollis shilohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04585509044252127013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-46034149631645570962014-02-19T13:44:57.126-06:002014-02-19T13:44:57.126-06:00But everybody's idea of crap is different. I&...But everybody's idea of crap is different. I'm not saying don't do your best, but it's really easy to point to any book and say, "That's crap." Because by your subjective standards it is. People point to prize-winning books every day and say "What crap! How does that get published." It just depends what you think is crap. What YOU think is crap may please lots and lots of readers.<br /><br />The bottom line is people read to be entertained. Not to meet some arbitrary guideline about editing standards. If the editing interrupts their enjoyment of the work, that's what they notice. Otherwise nobody really thinks about it. And some readers will overlook mistakes because they enjoy the story so much.<br /><br />Personally I'm trying to do my best and I think I'm getting better. I hope so!hollis shilohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04585509044252127013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-29713902663067783412014-02-19T13:18:11.357-06:002014-02-19T13:18:11.357-06:00And I don't care if indie writers, me included...<i>And I don't care if indie writers, me included, have a bad name.</i><br /><br />You've already made it, Joe, but to an indie just starting out, it seems like the perception (generated by those critics I mentioned earlier) that self-published books are of poorer quality than traditionally-published books might have a devastating effect where sale are concerned.<br /><br />If mega-bestselling traditionally-published Author X repeatedly tells his/her million or so Facebook followers that self-published books are, in general, inferior in quality to traditionally-published books, a good portion of those followers might start to believe it.<br /><br />And stopping the perpetuation of such a myth is relatively simple: don't publish crap.<br /><br />You've been saying that for a long time here on A Newbie's Guide to Publishing, but apparently some authors still aren't getting the message.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-83485415295490106332014-02-19T12:59:01.338-06:002014-02-19T12:59:01.338-06:00I think Amanda Hocking was a perfect example. Her ...I think Amanda Hocking was a perfect example. Her initial books had a lot of errors. If I remember right she tried several times getting them edited with less than stellar results.<br /><br />But her readers for the most part didn't care. The ones who did care moved on, the ones who didn't stayed for her enthralling stories.<br /><br />Personally I think people expect authors grammar and spelling to be better than their own writing like they subconsciously expect actors to be more beautiful/handsome. Still doesn't stop Joe Pesci from making a living.<br /><br />What gets things started though is an interesting question. Who initially read those Lycan books with the poor cover to get into other people's also bought lists. Luck might explain one or two reads but I've noticed you need around 8-10 purchases before you start showing up.Talinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00897787346805103073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-61662449015662411652014-02-19T12:41:23.340-06:002014-02-19T12:41:23.340-06:00You should think very hard about the assumptions b...<i>You should think very hard about the assumptions behind that statement. Re-read that sentence and insert any other class of writers (women, minority, genre, traditionally published, etc.). Your bigotry is showing.</i><br /><br />I really don't even know what that's supposed to mean.<br /><br />If an author doesn't have enough money for covers, formatting, editing, etc., then that's one thing. But the books I bought are selling like hotcakes, and decent covers and proper formatting really aren't very expensive. At some point, it seems like any author would start to care that his/her books look like poo and spend some money to do something about it.<br /><br />But maybe not. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, I guess.<br /><br />Personally, I would wait until I had $25-$50 for a decent pre-made cover and $70 for proper formatting before I released my book into the cruel one-star-review world of digital publishing, and I would also enlist the help of friends and relatives for proofreading and editing suggestions. But that's just me. I would care about the quality of my work, even if boatloads of readers obviously don't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-28709397080401887192014-02-19T12:40:18.994-06:002014-02-19T12:40:18.994-06:00Joe said:
But we can't release the same book...Joe said:<br /><br /><i> But we can't release the same book in two parallel dimensions, one version with a bad cover, or formatting, or grammar, and truly test how they compare.</i><br /><br />Damn it...if only I was Talon Avalon!<br /><br />;-)William J. Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03363006166880987871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-30194329529434581122014-02-19T12:28:59.117-06:002014-02-19T12:28:59.117-06:00And it's those writers who lend credence to so...<i>And it's those writers who lend credence to some of the most common criticisms from agents, editors, and traditionally-published authors. It's those writers who give all indies a bad name.</i><br /><br />Years ago I ceased caring what people thought of me. I don't do this for the approval of agents, editors, or peers. And I don't care if indie writers, me included, have a bad name.<br /><br />When I engage a legacy pundit, it isn't because I care about him, or want his approval, or even want him to admit that I'm right. I'm not going to change the way legacy publishers do things.<br /><br />But I can change the way authors look at legacy publishers. If I expose legacy pundits for the pinheads they act like, authors will benefit.<br /><br />There will always be haters. Every celebrity has haters. Every piece of art and media has haters. You goal shouldn't be to please the haters, or worry that other artists are making you look bad.<br /><br />Your goal should be to please yourself, and hopefully others like you.JA Konrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-42788832979747896802014-02-19T12:23:48.048-06:002014-02-19T12:23:48.048-06:00If you come from the print world, you will have an...<i>If you come from the print world, you will have an inflated sense of the importance of formatting, editing, covers, and anything else that was hard to change after publication. Because all of those things were vastly more important when they were hard to change. </i><br /><br />I've been thinking about this a lot.<br /><br />The problem is controls.<br /><br />I've always assumed that ebooks needed certain criteria to get discovered by readers, the main four being a good cover, good blurb, low price, and good story.<br /><br />Other things like good grammar and spelling, good formatting, no typos, were also important.<br /><br />But repeatedly I'm seeing ebooks sell that have bad covers, bad description, poor formatting, etc. <br /><br />I'm also seeing books that are universally acknowledged as "poorly written" doing very well.<br /><br />What's the takeaway here?<br /><br />We know luck matters. But we can't release the same book in two parallel dimensions, one version with a bad cover, or formatting, or grammar, and truly test how they compare.<br /><br />Is seems entirely reasonable that you improve your chances at finding readers if your ducks are all perfectly lined up. But time and again there are successes with crooked ducks.<br /><br />I understand where my bias comes from, and can see my bias may be wrong. But I'm not sure I can see the opposing argument, unless it's just as simple as: You can't predict what readers want, and they'll overlook a lot of mistakes if they're enjoying something.<br /><br />How can that concept be used to find more readers?JA Konrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.com