tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post116536503875995411..comments2024-03-28T02:00:11.260-05:00Comments on A Newbie's Guide to Publishing: Reader ExpectationsJA Konrathhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165688783734623712006-12-09T12:26:00.000-06:002006-12-09T12:26:00.000-06:00"As writers, I believe we owe our readers somethin..."As writers, I believe we owe our readers something. We have to walk a line between giving them more of what they liked, and giving them something new."<BR/><BR/>isn't that the truth?<BR/><BR/>i've gone through the same serial killer problem. my first book was a serial killer book. my publisher felt one SK book was enough, and i know i lost a lot of readers when i quit writing SK books. maybe it would have happened anyway, but i felt i turned my back on readers. My publisher felt SK books were over or soon to be over. that argument made sense, but i don't know. to my mind nothing really maintains that constant state of horror and threat like a serial killer book. i think the shift i made was too big. i didn't give readers what they liked along with something new. that said, i do think i'm building a new audience with whatever the hell it is i'm writing now. :D kind of gothic horror i think. and i'm really enjoying writing it, so it's not like i moved to something i didn't want to do.anne frasierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13044828332429421657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165671290522406212006-12-09T07:34:00.000-06:002006-12-09T07:34:00.000-06:00l.c., have you considered the possibility that J.K...l.c., have you considered the possibility that J.K. Rowlings might have been just as unhappy with that interview as you were? If that interview was conducted by email, shd might not have seen the finished product until it was posted, so it is quite possible she was unaware the interviewers intended to add what you perceived to be gloating, insulting asides. And it's also possible that she never actually read the finished interview. I'm only an obscure midlist fantasy author, but I've given quite a few email interviews and I haven't read them all (mostly because they were published in a Russian magazine or a Turkish website, and I'm not much of a linguist), and it doesn't stretch my powers of imagination much to envision a scenario in which Ms. Rowling was unaware of the situation that you found so insulting.<BR/><BR/>And what if she DID know about it? <BR/>It's my opinion that letting it blow over was probably the best course. Why draw more attention to the situation? She probably would have created more hard feelings by jumping in than by staying out. There are many ways for a writer to show disrespect for readers, but NOT getting involved in their online fights is, imo, not one of them. <BR/><BR/>Thriller/mystery readers sometimes disect the setting and debate minutia, but for fantasy readers this is common practice. Threads on message boards debating what SHOULD happen next are very common, as are threads discussing preferred courses that some readers believe the books "should have taken." Writers should probably stay as far away from these discussions as possible. Participants often see themselves as "winning" if the story does indeed take the course they prefer, and it is not uncommon for those who "lose" to take it personally and claim the author "doesn't listen to or care about the readers." Oftentimes, the less you know about the fans' interaction with each other and their speculations about the directions the books in a series are taking, the less trouble you're likely to get into. If flame wars erupt, acting as a sort of playground monitor will almost certainly create hard feelings, and, as your post demonstrated, NOT playing that role can also create hard feelings. Monitoring fans' online behavior is a no-win situation, and imo, it should not be considered part of a writer's job description.echttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02782487578492323052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165609769946176622006-12-08T14:29:00.000-06:002006-12-08T14:29:00.000-06:00Joe, please tell me that you were being facetious ...<I>Joe, please tell me that you were being facetious when you said you would trade places with James Frey.</I><BR/><BR/>I wouldn't do what Frey did. But I wouldn't mind being hated by the public if I had his money.JA Konrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165608330262190862006-12-08T14:05:00.000-06:002006-12-08T14:05:00.000-06:00I'm going to try and address several different the...I'm going to try and address several different themes in this ongoing conversation.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B>Reader Expectations</B><BR/><BR/>I agree with Allison Brennan and Jim Michael Hansen in that you do not have to have Jack hunt down serial killers in each novel. One would hope that there are not psychopathic killers waiting in queue to appear.<BR/><BR/>She could just solve a single murder. If people come to expect a certain level of suspense and drama from an author, that is what they are looking for in a new volume by the same author.<BR/><BR/>However, should you want to branch out and try a new genre, then you will absolutely need a new protagonist to focus on. That would make your fans realize this is something different and their expectations would be adjusted accordingly.<BR/><BR/><B>Author's admitting disappointment over someone else's work</B><BR/><BR/>Why not?<BR/><BR/>We are human and we all have our own preferences as to what we like when it comes to drama and entertainment. I think however, there should be a certain level of civility used in describing the disappointment. Also, if the authors involved are at a similar status level, I think there is a difference of expectation to be shown to one another.<BR/><BR/>I feel that the courteous thing to do is to attempt to establish communication directly with the author. <BR/><BR/>If you do not receive a reply because you are at a lower status rank than the author - then you have more freedom to discuss publicly your reader reaction. <BR/><BR/>Another question you should ask yourself if whether or not your public criticism is likely to deleteriously impact the earning potential of the author in question. I highly doubt Thomas Harris's bottom line will be impacted one way or the other by the comments on this blog. If anything, it may actually encourage people to buy a copy of his newest book. I was also grossly disappointed with <I>Hannibal</I> and had no interest whatsoever in continuing reading the series, but might read it after Joe's comments.<BR/><BR/>Another thought to consider is that authors write reviews of books all the time in newspapers, and some of them are quite unkind.<BR/><BR/>Discussing disappointment in this venue seems tame in comparison.<BR/><BR/><B>Comparison with an incident in the HP fandom</B><BR/><BR/>I bring this up because of a different genre and an even bigger and wealthier author than Thomas Harris: J.K. Rowling. I was a huge fan of her work and became immersed in the Harry Potter online fandom after book 4. <BR/><BR/>It is a strange and wild fandom with its own rules and lingo. If you establish your reputation online that spans more than one website or list serv (and the online HP fandom does *a lot* of cross polination) you can become what is known as a Big Name Fandomer or BNF.<BR/><BR/>Some of course were bigger than others, but the influence BNF's have over others is greater than just your average fourteen year old with a home computer.<BR/><BR/>I'm probably a third tier BNF, but still my name and online persona is known and has its influence. I read one of the numerous companion books to the HP series and had some quibbles with it. I emailed the author with my copious nitpicky notes, some of which were due to incorrect spellings of words unique to the series as well as my differences of opinions regarding some of his theories or conclusions.<BR/><BR/>It was the start of a regular correspondence and friendship.<BR/><BR/>I mention this because after book 6 came out, this same author wrote several essays and posted them on his website. Another BNF read one of his essays, disliked his conclusions and publicly trashed him on her popular LJ.<BR/><BR/>I thought it was discourteous of her, and I called her out publicly on her blog on that point. I also used the line from Spiderman "with great power comes great responsibility." <BR/><BR/>I felt she should have contacted him privately as I had, then she could have possibly developed a similar relationship with him. And, since he is a published author and she is only an online fanfic author, he actually has a bottom line which could be impacted by her comments.<BR/><BR/><B>Authors showing disrespect for their fans</B><BR/><BR/>Ahem, I have a story about a larger case of disrespect shown to fans than simply disappointing your fans by writing something not living up to expectations. <BR/><BR/>Once again, I am referring to the HP fandom. After book 6's release, J.K. Rowling was interviewed by two members of the online fandom who created wildly popular websites. There are many theories passionately debated online, and these two ambassadors from the HP fandom were partisans for one particular theory.<BR/><BR/>And JKR was well aware of the volatility of this debate.<BR/><BR/>Book 6 strongly hinted that the two interviewers were on the winning end of debate, and the interview removed all doubt. Thing is, the two interviewers were nasty and vicious to those who disagreed with their positions. The transcript of that interview is rife with personal asides that are derogatory such as "All laugh; Melissa doubles over, hysterical, and may have died." While one of the very partison reporters then repeatedly referred to a significant portion of the fanbase as "delusional."<BR/><BR/>J.K. Rowling hand picked these two people to interview her, and after the interview was published online - she never repudiated their behavior nor how it insulted many of her fans.<BR/><BR/>It caused a lot of acrimony in the fandom. It was like pouring salt in open wounds.<BR/><BR/>I was much more insulted that she never attempted to mitigate the public insulting of her fans by these two hand chosen ambassadors than I was by any of the gloating that resulted in the aftermath of Book 6.<BR/><BR/>And I have lost all interest in gleaning the series for further clues or even developing new theories. I'll read Book 7 when it comes out, but basically the author's attempt to let it "blow over" by being silent was what really made me lose interest in the HP franchise.<BR/><BR/>(On a side point, I was also greatly disappointed with many of the aspects of Book 6, but that is OT for this post and would make it just so much more incredibly loooong.) Oh, and yes I did write to J.K. Rowling, but have not gotten any reply. More importantly she has never made mention of this brouhaha on her website, except to mention in glowing terms the two people who interviewed her. As if she was thrilled by their actions during and after the interview.<BR/><BR/>Hence by her silence on the issue she expressed her tacit endorsement.<BR/><BR/>Moral of that story: Do not openly insult any of your fans. And if someone else does insults your fans by proxy in your name, you should publicly repudiate that sign of disrespect. Or you risk losing the respect of your fans.<BR/><BR/><B>James Frey and integrity</B><BR/><BR/>Joe, please tell me that you were being facetious when you said you would trade places with James Frey.<BR/><BR/>Because as far as I'm concerned the guy has no morals, scruples, ethics or personal integrity. I have no respect for him as a person, and no interest whatsoever in reading anything he has written in the past or anything that he might write in the future.<BR/><BR/>Obviously the man has talent, otherwise he would not have sold as many books as he had nor garnered the coveted endorsement by Oprah.<BR/><BR/>However, he broke the rules by lying to his audience. He told them what he wrote actually happened to him, and many things didn't. At least not the way he described. He embellished, which is okay when you are telling jokes or family stories that get taller with each subsequent telling.<BR/><BR/>It is not okay when writing memoirs, unless you are upfront by saying that you exaggerate. Then you are probably telling humorous tales as well, and not serious stories about addiction.<BR/><BR/>If the events in his real life were not dramatic enough for publication as they occured he should have written a novel. Then he could have allowed his own experience to be a starting place.<BR/><BR/>Then he would have earned respect. As it is, he has brought about contempt for himself. He is a pariah, at least in my eyes.<BR/><BR/>There is nothing about him that I envy. And I hope, deep down that you agree with me on this point.<BR/><BR/>Because I would like to see success earned on its merits and not based on deceit. Which is exactly what I think about James Frey. He is worthy of derision, as are many other writers who have committed similar ethical sins such as:<BR/><BR/>Janet Cooke<BR/>Jayson Blair<BR/>Mike Barnicle<BR/><BR/>I'll stop there, but I would not want to emulate any of those writers in any way, shape or form.<BR/><BR/>Enough for now, I'll step off my soapbox.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165556013551348412006-12-07T23:33:00.000-06:002006-12-07T23:33:00.000-06:00Come on. I'll admit expectations were extremely hi...Come on. I'll admit expectations were extremely high for Hannibal, but what Harris did with Clarice ... geez, it even would have been a better ending if she had been killed.<BR/><BR/>Lector's back story I can live with, though it wasn't needed, in my opinion. It took away much of the mystique of the monster.<BR/><BR/>The Clarice Starling of Lambs (an inexperienced woman at least 10 years younger) never would have fallen for half Lector's garbage in Hannibal, then I as a reader am expected to believe an older and more experienced Clarice would go along with all this?<BR/><BR/>Please.Tyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09192814826756623212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165504876286611892006-12-07T09:21:00.000-06:002006-12-07T09:21:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.echttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02782487578492323052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165504818673128312006-12-07T09:20:00.000-06:002006-12-07T09:20:00.000-06:00But I still maintain that many of those views are ...<I>But I still maintain that many of those views are distorted by the fact that Harris wrote a classic (SOTL) and then followed it up years later, after it had become a cultural phenomenon.</I><BR/><BR/>I agree. Expectations were very high, and they account for much of the reason I hated HANNIBAL.JA Konrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165504535032482812006-12-07T09:15:00.000-06:002006-12-07T09:15:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.echttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02782487578492323052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165504478808478152006-12-07T09:14:00.000-06:002006-12-07T09:14:00.000-06:00I think the only reason Lecter's backstory was tri...I think the only reason Lecter's backstory was trite was because eleven years passed between the publications of SOTL and Hannibal, and a bunch of other authors jumped on the serial killer bandwagon during that time. I think Lecter's backstory was there all along, only revealed in Hannibal.<BR/><BR/>We disagree that Hannibal was a failure as a novel, and that's okay. More people share your view than mine. But I still maintain that many of those views are distorted by the fact that Harris wrote a classic (SOTL) and then followed it up years later, after it had become a cultural phenomenon. Whatever he would have written would have fallen under severe criticism, just as a follow up to To Kill A Mockingbird or a sequel to Catcher in the Rye or (and this happened, didn't it?) Gone with the Wind would have.<BR/><BR/>I still rooted for Clarice, even though much of the narrative was devoted to Lecter and Verger. Even though Lecter was the lesser of two evils, he was still a really bad guy.<BR/><BR/>I admit, I thought the ending was ridiculous the first time I read it. But I think there are some heavy psychological themes going on that I don't fully understand. If Harris would just come on out and explain what he was getting at...<BR/><BR/>Where are you, Tom?Jude Hardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994813046526310594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165502575977979892006-12-07T08:42:00.000-06:002006-12-07T08:42:00.000-06:00Then you get all over Harris for what you perceive...<I>Then you get all over Harris for what you perceive as similar affronts?</I><BR/><BR/>Apples and oranges.<BR/><BR/>Memoir and a sequel to a thriller are two different things.<BR/><BR/>And the reason I'd trade places with Frey has nothing to do with what he wrote---I used him as an example of the slings and arrows I'd be willing to suffer if I made that much money.<BR/><BR/><I>Lecter was no hero in Hannibal.</I><BR/><BR/>He was the protagonist, and the character that the reader was forced to identify with and root for. That's why Harris chose Mason Verger as the villain--he was more repugnant than Lecter.<BR/><BR/>Clarice was wasted as a character in HANNIBAL. So is Jack Crawford. The Barney affair sub plot is ridiculous. So are the pigs, Verger, and Mason's body building sister. <BR/><BR/>Hannibal's backstory was trite and unsatisfying. And the ending, which had Clarice become Lecter's love interested after eating a brain---that was an insult.<BR/><BR/>HANNIBAL failed on all levels.JA Konrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165501427218223302006-12-07T08:23:00.000-06:002006-12-07T08:23:00.000-06:00I was just looking through my copy of Hannibal. Ac...I was just looking through my copy of Hannibal. Actually, it was Barney who said (to Clarice), "He told me once that, whenever it was 'feasible,' he preferred to eat the rude. 'Free-range rude,' he called them."<BR/><BR/>The word "feasible" says a lot here, I think. And I'm thinking the line "he only ate the rude" was from Clarice in the movie, but I'm not for sure on that.Jude Hardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994813046526310594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165499569420579052006-12-07T07:52:00.000-06:002006-12-07T07:52:00.000-06:00Oh, yeah...And are you forgetting why Mason Verger...Oh, yeah...<BR/><BR/>And are you forgetting why Mason Verger had no face?<BR/><BR/>Lecter was very much the monster in the book Hannibal.Jude Hardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994813046526310594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165498701964881432006-12-07T07:38:00.000-06:002006-12-07T07:38:00.000-06:00As I recall:Senator Martin's daughter was rescued;...As I recall:<BR/><BR/>Senator Martin's daughter was rescued; Starling used Lecter's cryptic clues to find Gumb.<BR/><BR/>The census taker's liver was eaten with fava beans and a big Amarone. Chianti was from the movie.<BR/><BR/>Lecter did way more killing in Hannibal than he did in SOTL, and in graphic fashion. Are you forgetting he disemboweled Pazzi and hung him out a window by an electrical cord? That he sauteed Krendel's brain and fed parts of it to him while he was still alive?<BR/><BR/>Lecter was no hero in Hannibal. He was every bit the monster he always was. That he only ate the rude was Starling's perception, not TH's.<BR/><BR/>Starling's and Lecter's relationship was complex from the start. They were drawn to each other in some sort of bizarre way, and Hannibal was always protective of Clarice. I don't see that Harris betrayed the character of Hannibal Lecter, but maybe I'm missing something.<BR/><BR/>Or maybe YOU need to reread the books. :)Jude Hardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994813046526310594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165495431333841092006-12-07T06:43:00.000-06:002006-12-07T06:43:00.000-06:00Wait a minute, JA.On the one hand, you say you'd b...Wait a minute, JA.<BR/><BR/>On the one hand, you say you'd be James Frey in a minute—which means (1) lying to your readers and (2) being untrue to your characters. Then you get all over Harris for what you perceive as similar affronts?<BR/><BR/>I don't get it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165495015477067392006-12-07T06:36:00.000-06:002006-12-07T06:36:00.000-06:00I sincerely believe that Lecter's character was we...<I>I sincerely believe that Lecter's character was well-drawn from the beginning, and that the book Hannibal simply revealed some aspects of his character that the public didn't want, or didn't need, to know.</I><BR/><BR/>Then you need to reread the books.<BR/><BR/>In Red Dragon, Lecter told Dollarhyde to kill Graham, and his wife and child.<BR/> <BR/>He mauled a nurse while in prison.<BR/><BR/>He laughes at church roof collapses, killing innocent people.<BR/><BR/>He helps Dollarhyde, and Gumb, two active killers who prey on the innocent.<BR/><BR/>He allows Senator Martin's daughter to die.<BR/><BR/>Who ate a census taker's liver with fava beans and a nice chianti?<BR/><BR/>Who had to be put in restraints every time he was moved?<BR/><BR/>And so on. This is not a man who only eats the rude. This is a monster.<BR/><BR/>As for me feeling betrayed, that's 100% fair, or am I supposed to supress my reaction?JA Konrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165460361880331212006-12-06T20:59:00.000-06:002006-12-06T20:59:00.000-06:00I wrote my comment before I saw yours, Joe. It see...I wrote my comment before I saw yours, Joe. It seems that you took Hannibal as some sort of personal betrayal, and I don't think that's fair. I sincerely believe that Lecter's character was well-drawn from the beginning, and that the book Hannibal simply revealed some aspects of his character that the public didn't want, or didn't need, to know. Indeed, Lecter was a more of a horrible force when there was an element of mystery behind him. We didn't get to know him very well in SOTL, and I think it was more Anthony Hopkins's portrayal that made him an icon than what we saw in the book.<BR/><BR/>At any rate, I appreciated Hannibal for what it was--a glimpse into the psychology of a true disturbo. The ending did upset me--I wanted Starling to rise and blow him away. But then again, that's what we would have expected, and it's always more powerful to give the reader what they DON'T expect. Even though the ending pissed a lot of us off (including, obviously, the director who filmed the sequel), it certainly aroused emotions, which is all any author can hope for.Jude Hardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994813046526310594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165458886129856272006-12-06T20:34:00.000-06:002006-12-06T20:34:00.000-06:00Well said, Tess.I don't think Thomas Harris ever s...Well said, Tess.<BR/><BR/>I don't think Thomas Harris ever set out to write a bad book, or "thumb his nose" at his fans. What kind of idiot would do that, no matter how rich they are?<BR/><BR/>He wrote a classic--Silence of the Lambs--and in literature it's nearly impossible to repeat that. It makes me wonder if he should have just gone the way of JD Salinger and Harper Lee, and bowed out gracefully.<BR/><BR/>And I agree with anon: Let the critics have their way--that's their job. Writers, however, should be supportive of one another, no matter the level of success.<BR/><BR/>My question to the authors here: If you were ever fortunate enough to pen a true classic, would you try to follow it up or would you ride off in the sunset with your millions?<BR/><BR/>Personally, I respect Harris for his efforts. I think he did it FOR the fans, not as an egotistical means to alienate them.<BR/><BR/>But maybe Harper Lee did the smart thing.Jude Hardinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09994813046526310594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165456231696037152006-12-06T19:50:00.000-06:002006-12-06T19:50:00.000-06:00Under six figures, we give them a handicap and ove...<I>Under six figures, we give them a handicap and over six figures we can be perfectly frank? And over seven figures, we let 'er rip? </I><BR/><BR/>I'm going to play the hypocrite card here, and say we really shouldn't ever criticize our peers in public, except for Thomas Harris. :)<BR/><BR/>Insulting a work of art isn't good for anyone. The art already exists, and can't be changed, no matter the opinion of the public. <BR/><BR/>And anyone who goes around badmouthing artists probably has a large assortment of chips on their shoulder.<BR/><BR/>But I believe Thomas Harris is an exception, for several reasons. <BR/><BR/>First, he created the sub-genre of serial killer thrillers.<BR/><BR/>Second, he spends seven years on a book, so one would think he'd take the time to craft it meticulously (that was the case with Black Sunday, Red Dragon, and Silence.)<BR/><BR/>Third, he makes such a ridiculous amount of money, he's in a different league from anyone except Cornwell, King, Brown, and Koontz.<BR/><BR/>Fourth, he seems disdainful of his readers.<BR/><BR/>I waited 11 years for HANNIBAL to come out. At the end of SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, Lector was loose in the world. Evil incarnate, free to prey upon man, including Clarice and Will Graham--the man who caught him.<BR/><BR/>I waited 11 years to find out what happened next. And I felt betrayed when I read it. I've never had that type of experience with a book before.<BR/><BR/>I want accountability. The man invented a new style of thriller, then turned his back on the fans he made. There are really no comparsions in the literary world for what Harris did. <BR/><BR/>Let's look at THE SURGEON. I read it when it came out, in 2001, at roughly the same time I began writing WHISKEY SOUR. I liked Rizzoli, damaged as she was, and really dug the villain. <BR/><BR/>The book ended well, allowing for the possibility of a sequel. I waited for it.<BR/><BR/>When THE APPRENTICE came out a year later, I bought it the day it was released, and I loved it even more than THE SURGEON. The characters evolved, the new villain was terrific, and it was a nice continuation of all the things that worked in the previous book.<BR/><BR/>If, in THE APPRENTICE, you made Hoyt the hero, and Rizzoli a mindless shell who became seduced by Hoyt, I would have been annoyed. You had raised my expecatations with the first one, and I wanted a payoff. I feel like you delivered.<BR/><BR/>For SINNER and BODY DOUBLE, you took Rizzoli and Isles in new directions, but you still stayed true to your characters.<BR/><BR/>VANISH was harsher than I expected, the tone darker than your previous books. I thought it was amazing. I enjoyed MEPHISTO even more---it was more like THE SURGEON in tone, but had a playful sense of horror about it, plus some delightful use of religious history.<BR/><BR/>My point: you may have tried new things, but you always respected your characters, and in my opinion, your readers.<BR/><BR/>Harris did not. I feel as if he thumbed his nose at me, and criticized his readers for embracing him. <BR/><BR/>I've probably reviewed forty or fifty books on Amazon, and given each 5 stars. Except for HANNIBAL. <BR/><BR/>I read a few books a year that I don't really like. But I don't review those, nor do I badmouth their authors.<BR/><BR/>But Harris is an exception.JA Konrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165435831236606132006-12-06T14:10:00.000-06:002006-12-06T14:10:00.000-06:00Let's be honest-- most of us live pretty mundane l...Let's be honest-- most of us live pretty mundane lives. I'm betting most cops never get involved in a serial killer case.<BR/><BR/>Of course, its not realistic that Jack would get involved in several. My character is a boxing social worker who robin hoods his way into the lives of his clients and saves them from bad guys. Along the way he foils terrorist plots and serial killers. Ridiculous?--of course.<BR/><BR/>Willing suspension of disbelief I think its called. Reality is pretty boring--give me the serial killers and let me have some fun.Tom Schreckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01050914130524851863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165433712787635132006-12-06T13:35:00.000-06:002006-12-06T13:35:00.000-06:00We're all in this together, no? We should praise w...<I>We're all in this together, no? We should praise what we like, and exercise our right to remain silent about what we don't.</I><BR/><BR/>Except that sometimes, as writers, when we are able to discuss what went wrong with a book we've read, we're able to better understand craft issues and have a conversation about what worked and what didn't, and how we can learn from that. We can also open it up to an industry wide discussion as to where the line between writer as creator and reader as consumer is drawn, like is being done here. It's critical analysis rather than blistering or intentionally hurtful dissing. <BR/><BR/>Becoming writers doesn't automatically preclude us from ever having an opinion on a published book. At least, I would hope not! Not with most writers being such passionate readers...Wigged Outhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09359652793625486237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165433191349495552006-12-06T13:26:00.000-06:002006-12-06T13:26:00.000-06:00So a seven-figure advance automatically renders an...<I>So a seven-figure advance automatically renders an author immune to hurtful, scathing criticism from his/her peers?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes.<BR/><BR/>I've said before that I'd trade places with that guy who wrote A Million Little Pieces. The book was a lie, and the whole nation hated him, including Oprah.<BR/><BR/>I'd be able to live with all that hatred, on the island I bought from selling 5 million books.<BR/><BR/>And, frankly, I'm able to live with criticism, peer and otherwise, making much less than that (I refer to myself as a 'thousandaire')<BR/><BR/>A bad review isn't a public lynching. Getting dragged through the streets by your neck and hung from a tree in front of a group of people is a public lynching.<BR/><BR/>Harris had me as a fan, then lost me as a fan. My being an author doesn't mean I can't question what I perceive went wrong with his last two books. <BR/><BR/>Being reviewed, even badly, is something that all public figures, writers included, must contend with.<BR/><BR/>I doubt Thomas Harris was hurt by my remarks (as if he was aware of them.) But I can tell you I WAS hurt reading HANNIBAL. LAMBS meant so much to me, as a reader and as an author, and HANNIBAL devestated me. <BR/><BR/>I'd love to ask Harris why he made the choices he did. And I'm not alone. HANNIBAL had over 2000 Amazon reviews, many of them 1 star, many of them echoing my points. <BR/><BR/>He had a chance to address his critics, and mend some bridges with readers, with the new book. He didn't.<BR/><BR/>Should I broach that in a public forum such as my blog? Yes. Because this is something writers should thing about.<BR/><BR/>Should writers take potshots at their peers? No. It's petty, and does no good.<BR/><BR/>I don't consider Harris a peer. He's a god, fallen from grace.JA Konrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165430948548383822006-12-06T12:49:00.000-06:002006-12-06T12:49:00.000-06:00So a seven-figure advance automatically renders an...So a seven-figure advance automatically renders an author immune to hurtful, scathing criticism from his/her peers?<BR/><BR/>To me, there are enough fan critics and pro reviewers out there without authors jumping in on the public lynchings.<BR/><BR/>We're all in this together, no? We should praise what we like, and exercise our right to remain silent about what we don't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165426482167266432006-12-06T11:34:00.000-06:002006-12-06T11:34:00.000-06:00I think it's important for an author to deliver th...I think it's important for an author to deliver the same "type" of book that has attracted a following, meaning the same intensity, the same writing style, the same flavor--the same recognition factor. That doesn't mean that if the first two books have serial killer then the 3d must too. It means that if the first two had a very bad protagonist, then readers will be looking for that in the next book, and probably hoping to get it.<BR/><BR/>All my books are different but I'm careful to build a brand where the reader can expect the same writing style, edgy characters, a complicated plot, realisic motivators and a truly bad antagonist. The point is that if the author sticks to the brand concepts, the details of those concept can vary greatly. And probably should.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01234972022475955356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165425070808329572006-12-06T11:11:00.000-06:002006-12-06T11:11:00.000-06:00I can understand Harris' "fans" bashing him on a p...<I>I can understand Harris' "fans" bashing him on a public forum if they didn't like the book, but his fellow authors? Come on, folks. What goes around comes around, no?</I><BR/><BR/>If I make 10 million dollars a book, I give my peers permission to bash me.<BR/><BR/>Actually, Hannibal is the only book I ever bemoan in public, though I have taken a few small shots at Patricia Cornwell--and if you tried to read her last few, you'd know why.<BR/><BR/>I do this as a disappointed fan. These authors have let me down. They began writing amazing books, and then terrible something happened.<BR/><BR/>Harris should know better. That may sound harsh, but I'm a writer, and if I completely disrespected my characters like Harris has done, I'd want someone to call me on it. He's thumbing his nose at the people who made him a success, and that's wrong.JA Konrathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08778324558755151986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11291165.post-1165423140530758942006-12-06T10:39:00.000-06:002006-12-06T10:39:00.000-06:00I never read Hannibal (not my cuppa), but the jour...I never read Hannibal (not my cuppa), but the journal reviews I saw on Amazon were quite favorable. I can understand Harris' "fans" bashing him on a public forum if they didn't like the book, but his fellow authors? Come on, folks. What goes around comes around, no?<BR/><BR/>Amusing that you guys are still talking about this book 17 years later. Good or bad, it certainly aroused some passion among writers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com